Howard Lindzon - Latest Comments in Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

howardlindzon — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:21:40 -0000

I know the pain

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

Thomas Huynh — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:55:42 -0000

Sun Tzu isn't about fighting. It is about winning. You can learn more about applying the principles correctly in today's environment at Sonshi.com.

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

authorityseo — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:24:44 -0000

I find the new spam threat is real person spam which is real people posting but they are obvious because they post one line comments that don't make any sense to the post.

I won't post how I was defeating spam.

What amazes me with the complexity of some spammers as people that smart have to be able to make money a more honest way

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

howardlindzon — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:49:50 -0000

24 ho;urs plus a day to ensure we dont. thx.

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

howardlindzon — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:49:09 -0000

really good thinking actually. it is a human problem. i will have to turn
that into a post or you write it for us.

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

jeremystein — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:43:15 -0000

im waiting for social media security companies to sprout up. its a human problem. like identify theft, etc, it can't be stopped, only contained. people will always find a new ways to spam.

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

howardlindzon — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:29:21 -0000

work in progress daily

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

kileyay — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:11:46 -0000

I agree, dude. The spam problem on Twitter is totally out of control. That being said, I think even at StockTwits shades of grey abound. Can a person link to their site once? Twice? What if they link to a specific section of their site in context of a value-adding tweet? What if the site has a good product pertinent to markets?

If it's this difficult to separate spam from value on a niche vertical community, how grand is the task on the entire Twitter network? If Twitter seems to not care, maybe it's because the scope is unpossibly large. Thoughts?

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

stockfrocker — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:04:50 -0000

If I want spam, I can go to yahoo. What you have built here is actually useful to stocknuts. don't loose it.

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

Soren Macbeth — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:19:51 -0000

ditto

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

howardlindzon — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:22:10 -0000

we have thought, timelined and also talked to online brokers.

you will be seeing shortly some of these ideas .

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

RacerRick — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:06:45 -0000

One thing on community...

you guys have done a great job of building the (legitimate) participation. It takes a couple of dedicated people at first... then it grows. You can have all the fancy technology in the world, but without dedicated people, it won't grow.

Kudos because you guys have done a better job than any other twitter-based community (so far).

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

RacerRick — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:04:34 -0000

It used to be that every couple of weeks, followers would drop by 10%. Twitter was doing a great job of getting rid of the idiots.

That doesn't seem to happen anymore.

Anyone who sets up an auto follow direct message - instantly banned from twitter.

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

Chris Rechtsteiner — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:41:33 -0000

There are really two distinct SPAM issues as it relates to Twitter. The first is pretty simple - one-to-one relationships. If you don't follow people, they can't get to you. Problem solved.

However, when looking at a community like StockTwits, well, it's not that easy b/c people want the collective knowledge with and without following. Years (and years) ago, whenever we put into place self-service web apps the most important role was that of moderator. These individuals were tasked with keeping order and, quite frankly, tossing people out when they abused the system.

Sadly, this seems to still be the best way to manage such situations ... at least until the algorithms can catch up to real-time threads & their relation to other comments in the thread for relevance. That doesn't appear to be too close, at least from my vantage point.

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

ppearlman — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:51:25 -0000

i agree w george

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

JakeGint — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:22:11 -0000

Geez, thank HL!

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

howardlindzon — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:17:10 -0000

There is a blog post in there

Shaq can't kill spam, just breeds it.

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

vruz — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:15:10 -0000

I don't know them, they sure seem likeable and even loveable guys, no
doubt about it.
I just wish they had a stronger focus on DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS,
DEVELOPERS, and less on the Kutchers.
Shaq's not gonna take out the spam for you.

2009/6/27 Disqus <>:

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

howardlindzon — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:08:10 -0000

As I have jokes before ev and biz best biz model would be to charhe 50k for appearnaces like greenspan.

I think disappointed is the right word.

EVERYONE that knows ev in my circle of friends, loves the guy.
He must be a great dude.

I hate stirring it up when a 40 person company grows this fast its almost impossible to cover all loose ends.

It just feels way too loose.

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

vruz — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:58:13 -0000

I think it requires Twitter-side support, just like Gmail learns what
you like and what you don't like.
Filtering infrastructure, community policed.
You can't ask every niche community to develop their own
infrastructure, that's supposedly what Twitter does.
Other than fooling around with Oprah, that is.

Can you tell I'm disappointed too ?

2009/6/27 Disqus <>:

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

howardlindzon — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:49:13 -0000

That's why it works so well on the personal level for non spammers and is a homerun platform either way. I have total spam control. Buyilding a bix on top will see more than typical failure thouygh

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

howardlindzon — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:39:31 -0000

i just love sun tzu and getting un tzu's by people in daily life.

poker is the most viral and open game because as you say it allows thosre that adapt and not rely on a single strategy to win out of nowhere.

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

howardlindzon — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:37:03 -0000

great insight.

i am mad about twitter, but they really cant be blamed and its why I keep my complaints on the personal blog.

lucky for us we are a niche and it IS our job to figure this out and hey....if we figure it out best, there could be a big business in it.

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

howardlindzon — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:35:27 -0000

i dont want to comepete against you dude

Re: Sun Tzu - The Art of Community

howardlindzon — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:35:04 -0000

the biggest spam issue is links to pay and bullshit sites.

we will beat it.